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27 January 2012 @ 03:06 am
Dear Fringe (Part II)...  
 Firstly, Show, let me just say that you are amazing, and the best show on TV, and I never want you to leave the light of my laptop. That episode was absolutely excellent.

Your reintroduction of the show's creepiest villain of all time was daring (as it risked alienating new viewers), but inspired. And I was certainly doing a little dance around my dorm room (at 2 AM, no less) when I made the connection that Peter would be able to undermine Jones with his ~interuniversal knowledge~.

And ALT!BROYLES II. And NINA SHARP, whichever version she is, the conniving little witch. MY BRAIN. IT CANNOT.

And Elizabeth and Walter. Oh oh oh... you break my heart, you really do. And that little pow-wow near the end? Fantastic. Amber-Walternate wins at life.

That said, show, you should be aware that, despite the fact that my love for all you do remains strong, I'm getting a little worried about how you're going to resolve this four-universe conundrum. Blonde amber-'verse Olivia's lack of a reaction to Jones just drove home to me how incredibly different this universe is from Blue. It's like you're slowly retconning all of your past brilliance-- don't do that to yourself! Don't you remember how epic it was when Blue-Livia turned those lights off with her ~brain~? How you left us on the edge of our seats with every one of Jones' mind games? That was your awesome canon, Show! OWN IT, BABY!

Four universes are too many, especially when two pairs are almost identical, and ESPECIALLY when we apparently haven't seen our home universe all season. I can't even figure out how to refer to characters anymore! Show, I am trusting you to fix this in a way that my mere human brain has yet to realize. DON'T LET ME DOWN.

Love,
Ellen
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fogsblue: oliviafogsblue on January 27th, 2012 10:38 am (UTC)
I've just got to say I agree with every part of this letter you have written.

This show is still brilliant, fantastic, AMAZING. And Jones... When I saw that there was a literal jaw drop on my part.

But seriously, trying to keep track of the universes is insane. And the characters within 'em? You've got Olivia, alt!Olivia, alt-alt!Olivia and alt-alt-alt!Olivia?

Don't get me wrong, I kind of love these universes that never had a better beyond his childhood, but seriously, how are they planning on tying this back to the very original universe and its counterpart?

I mean someone (might have been you...) suggested it's possible the universes we're seeing are in fact the original ones, just with Peter removed from the time line, but who knows for sure...

Come on Fringe, move along!
sweet_anise: Fringe Olivia S1 Ponytailsweet_anise on January 27th, 2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Blue-rewritten was what I wanted in the beginning, until I realized how many great episodes that would ret-con (basically all of them). Now I definitely don't want that. Option two would be having amber be blue and red rewritten, and then reverting them somehow (by writing Peter back in). Even though it still erases history, it's not history that we saw, and a lot of what we've seen in S4 could be thought of as our original Red and Blue (they'd only need to rewrite up to Peter's reappearance).

Honestly, the thing I'd miss most about that scenario would be the ability to realistically ship S4!Blonde!Olivia with her Lincoln. (The thing I'd miss the least would be the ridiculous names I have to use to make myself clear.)
fogsblue: oliviafogsblue on January 28th, 2012 06:20 am (UTC)
I agree. I would hate for most of the history to be ret-conned. If they revert that would be fine. But they'd have to be careful how they did so or they'd ruin the whole thing and I certainly don't want that too happen.

I do love S4!Blonde!Olivia and her Lincoln. I'm kind of shipping 'em too.
giallarhorn: Alt!Fringe teamgiallarhorn on January 27th, 2012 12:54 pm (UTC)
OH HEY YOU FINALLY CAUGHT UP I CAN RESUME POSTING FRINGE ON TUMBLR AGAIN

I do have to ask why you waited till 2 AM to watch it, finally :P

I'm was half convinced that Jones was just as insane as Moriarty, but now it looks like he has a giant universe spanning plan?

AHHH ALT!BROYLES and NINA? I can't decide that if Nina is 1) a shapeshifter, 2) working as partners with Jones, or 3) the mastermind behind this plan or 4) if she's just acting as a proxy for Bell, who's actually behind all of it. Or how long that she's been secretly dosing Olivia and stopping dates with Lincoln with Cortexiphan. But that also asks why she'd be dosing Olivia, if they can already cross universes? Or why Jones feels the need to make a giant Dalek reality bomb?Or why Alt!Broyles, whom I'm working under the assumption is not a shapeshifter, is working with Jones?

There really needs to be a scene with Amber!Walternate and Amber!Walter.

I have a feeling that we're probably not going to be having four universes (or maybe we might?) because even for Fringe, that's a little way too ambitious. But at the same time, it's hard to see how they'd also leave the Amberverse behind, seeing as to how we've already spent so much time over here?

OR THEY JUST MIGHT HAVE A GIANT INFO MEMORY DUMP IN EVERYONE'S HEADS. Which would be interesting. But I feel like they're going to resolve it in the finale?

I'm just calling the characters based on the universe location, which leads us to Future/Gray!Character, Amber!Character/Alt!Character (for the Amber!Blue/Redverse), Alt!Character (for the old Redverse) and then just regular names for the old Blueverse.
sweet_anise: Fringe Olivia S1 Ponytailsweet_anise on January 27th, 2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
So...

Olivia, Alt!Livia, Amber!Olivia, Amber!Alt!Livia? The thing is, if you're talking to someone not on the system, they'll likely assume that "Olivia" means "Amber!Livia".

See my reply to fogsblue above for more of my thoughts on getting back to two 'verses.

OR maybe that's what The Observer meant by "you're going to have to die"? She's going to revert back to original recipe Olivia?
giallarhorn: Olivia Specs!giallarhorn on January 28th, 2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
That's true...You could refer to her as Blue!Olivia, or PreAmber!Olivia, just for clarification. I tend to refer to Amber!Olivia as Olivia, since it is the current incarnation, and the past incarnation as PreAmber!Olivia.

Retconning three seasons of episodes is just...ahfosfsef. Like, it's just cheap and most of all, not fair to go like 'Oh those three seasons we built up to develop these characters aren't going to always be true', but I don't really see them doing that without somehow addressing the problem. The only problem I see with them just rebooting the Amberverse to the old Blue/Redverse is that it would mean we'd gotten ten episodes in a timeline that has no impact, after we've gotten to see the new incarnations of the characters. Or did you mean that they just rewrite the history of S4, and continue going with the timeline in the Amberverse? Though, wouldn't rewriting the past of S4 also alter the people and events and how things turned out in S4 as they are now? Though, it does kind of seem like the Redverse at least, is kind of drifting to where it was before, so maybe

But at the same time, I don't want to lose Olivia/Lincoln, because Lincoln is adorable. And the ship is adorable.

I want my cake, and I want to eat it. Why can't I have both?

I guess that could be a metaphorical death, of sorts. It's probably hard to focus after you've been shot.

But I was thinking about what the Observer said- it was in the sense that she has to die, not that she will die, or that she is going to die. Kind of like she has a choice in the matter, or that she's going to have to die to do something? Which loops back around to how she seems to be the crux of Nina and Jones' plan, for whatever reason that it might be. Maybe she has the same role as Peter in S3- to save the universes, she has to die?

OR maybe, in the spirit of the entire show and last season and this season in particular, Peter has to let this version of Olivia die to fix something? Because Walter broke the universes and started everything by not letting Peter die, which had been fixed by Peter dying a la the Machine (assuming that the Amberverse is the 'correct' timeline), so when Peter came back and when the Observer opted to not erase him from time, it shifted the timeline back to being flawed, so to fix it this time, Peter has to let Olivia die? It'd make a thematic sort of sense, as how Peter didn't want to let Olivia die in S3, and thus fixed the universes, but in reality if Peter wants to be around, then he has to allow Olivia to die?

IDK. I apologize if that didn't make much sense- my brain's a little loopy and fried.

P.S. There a lots of goodies for you, waiting. And I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, so shhhh.
phoenixrising06: fringe- liv dunhamphoenixrising06 on January 28th, 2012 01:31 am (UTC)
I completely agree with everything you said.

When he appeared onscreen, I actually turned to my cat and whispered, "David Robert Jones!"

She was not impressed.